In this week’s episode, Jon sits down with Dr. Felienne Hermans, Professor of Computer Science Education at Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam and the creator of Hedy, a new and exciting, gradual textual programming language that simplifies how people learn to code. In this episode, Dr Felienne shares how her experiences teaching young coders led to the development of Hedy. Join them as they explore how best to balance simplicity and complexity in programming education and discuss the importance of inclusivity, diversity, and patience when teaching coding.