This week on The State of Developer Education, Jon is joined by Mike Zamansky, an influential voice in computer science education in New York City. Recently retired, Mike has held a range of roles in the education sector, previously having been the Coordinator of Computer Science Education and Director of Undergraduate Honors at Hunters College. This episode is about unpacking the state of computer science education in the United States. Mike and Jon discuss the disconnect between classroom teaching and industry requirements and explore how educators can better collaborate with industry professionals to close the skills gap in developer education.